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$Unique_ID{USH01612}
$Pretitle{132}
$Title{The Nixon Tapes
April 17, 1973. (2:39pm - 2:40pm)}
$Subtitle{}
$Author{Nixon, Richard M.}
$Affiliation{Senate Judiciary Committee}
$Subject{nixon
ehrlichman
pres
indictment
right
say
}
$Volume{}
$Date{1974}
$Log{}
Book: The Nixon Tapes
Author: Nixon, Richard M.
Affiliation: Senate Judiciary Committee
Date: 1974
April 17, 1973. (2:39pm - 2:40pm)
Telephone conversation: President Nixon and John Ehrlichman
Operator: Yes, sir.
Pres. Nixon: Mr. Ehrlichman, please
Operator: Thank you.
Pres. Nixon: John - I don't want to interrupt your statement preparing,
J. Ehrlichman: Yes, sir. That's alright.
Pres. Nixon: But I just wanted to be sure to check the points you want with
Peterson. He will be in just 10 minutes so, (1) Do immunity.
However, I would say that for any of the top three.
J. Ehrlichman: Uh, huh.
Pres. Nixon: In other words, so that I can, if it sort of appears that if you
want to give it to Strachan, that is ok. See? Don't you think
that is a good line?
J. Ehrlichman: I think that is good. Any of the people in - The four points
as I wrote them down were to inform him that you were making a
statement; Your policy with regard to suspension and firing.
Pres. Nixon: Which is charges or indictment -
J. Ehrlichman: Indictment for suspension and firing for conviction, which
will be in the statement that I am drafting.
Pres. Nixon: Wait a minute.
J. Ehrlichman: He'll tell the press that.
Pres. Nixon: Right.
J. Ehrlichman: Then privately to him, your policy with regard to immunity for
top people.
Pres. Nixon: Yeah, and leaks from the Grand Jury.
J. Ehrlichman: I wouldn't limit it to three. I would say any top person,
like Dean or up.
Pres. Nixon: Yeah.
J. Ehrlichman: It will sell.
Pres. Nixon: Then I will say, as far as a fellow like Strachan, that is fine.
You can do what you want.
J. Ehrlichman: Yeah
Pres. Nixon: That strengthens the position.
J. Ehrlichman: Colson, Dean, anybody of that kind, no dice.
Pres. Nixon: He has mentioned these four to me. I will just say that.
J. Ehrlichman: And then, of course, the leaks out of the Grand Jury. And put
it to him whether he doesn't think the later exposure would
prejudice the whole investigation and whether he shouldn't
withdraw at an appropriate time so that a replacement can be
obtained.
Pres. Nixon: Charges and - I am going to follow a policy of accepting
resignations on charges or indictment. Is that it?
J. Ehrlichman: No. Suspension on indictment and a resignation on conviction.
Pres. Nixon: Of course. That is right. Everybody would know that.
Suspension on indictment and resignation on refusing to
cooperate. Right?
J. Ehrlichman: Or conviction
Pres. Nixon: Right. And what about charges? I mean remember we had that
gray area.
J. Ehrlichman: Well, there again you will have to reserve the right,
depending on the seriousness of the charge -
Pres. Nixon: Yeah. I will say if there is a serious corroborated charge,-
J. Ehrlichman: Then you want him to bring it to you and you will reserve
judgment on the individual case.